Democrats are banding together to strip Americans from their private insurance, forcing all Americans do go on the chronically mismanaged Medicare program. The Daily Caller reports:
House Democrats on Wednesday unveiled their latest “Medicare-for-all” bill — a sweeping overhaul of the nation’s health care system that would largely outlaw private insurance as part of what critics call a one-size-fits-all government takeover.
The bill was introduced by Reps. Pramila Jayapal, D-Wash., and Debbie Dingell, D-Mich., and is co-sponsored by more than 100 House Democrats including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., showing the extent to which the policy has drifted from the fringe of the party to the mainstream.
It would move America to a virtual single-payer system, like systems used in the U.K. and Canada, and promises to “prevent healthcare corporations from overcharging for the costs of their services and profiting off illness and injury.”
“It’s time to put people’s health over profit. Our bill will cover everyone. Not just those who are fortunate enough to have employer-sponsored insurance,” Jayapal said in a statement. “Not just children. Not just seniors. Not just those who are healthy. Everyone. Because healthcare is a human right. We will need every single person in the country to help us, to stand with us, to organize and to fight for this.”
What will happen to Medicare Advantage?
For those that don’t know what it is, Medicare Advantage (in my case) provides Medicare coverage for almost no premium through an HMO. Actual Medicare would cost my wife and I over $200 per month in premiums for Part B, doctors. Plus we get Part D drugs at no extra cost, vision and dental benefits, an over-the-counter allowance, and Silver Sneakers (health clubs) membership. Heck , that alone saves us over $70 more per month. A _great_ deal — but it requires health insurance companies.
Healthcare would become cradle to grave management of American citizens. Don’t kid yourselves the vote for after birth abortion murders will become an important part of the plan just as the comfort visits to the aged, sometimes known as ‘consultation for seniors considered too old or too infirm. The socialcommunist way of thinking is, if you can cut down the population growth by birth management and death management you can cut the costs. We will no longer be humans but numbers on a list.
It is one thing to put pressure on drug companies to lower the cost of prescription drugs since they export them and charge far less in other countries, but to take away the health care that working people may get from their employers at a lower cost than it would be to have to pay for it from the government is NOT RIGHT! I worked long and hard to end up with a decent retirement and my supplemental health care that I pay a portion of to provide me with Part D coverage. I even have a choice of plans that I want and I am 100% covered between Medicare and my Supplement. I pay a share of prescription drugs. I pay far less for my supplemental than I would if I was forced to go on a government plan. No one told the people who had Obamacare that they couldn’t have it anymore, the law only changed so that people who couldn’t afford it were not fined because the didn’t purchase a premium. I know so many people who lost insurance when Obamacare was implemented and ended up paying 2 and 3 times what they paid for private insurance. I also do not believe that the Federal Government has the right to force us to have inadequate coverage and take away our freedom of choice that we currently have. In fact, I believe it is unconstitutional. Everytime I think about it, I also get very angry that the members of Congress and their staffs did not have to suck it up and go on Obamacare since they felt it was good for Americans.
Just watched a Democrat being interviewed on the FOX News program “The Story with Martha MacCallum” proclaim that President Trump kicked millions of Americans off of healthcare insurance.
Since President Trump only got rid of the individual mandate of Obamacare, all those people that Democrats like to claim were kicked off of Obamacare, were only given their free choice to be on it, or to get off of it, since the Democrats could no longer legally force them to purchase Obamacare, but did not stop any of them to continue buying it if they so desired.
But Democrats like to believe, and falsely convince others, that if people choose not to purchase Obamacare, then President Trump must has kicked them off of it.
Now with the healthcare insurance plans that President Trump has made available for everyone, healthcare insurance is tremendously less expensive than Obamacare is, and some of those who Democrats claim were kicked off of Obamacare, are on these new healthcare insurance plans, because they can now afford to buy it. But better yet, because the copays and deductibles are so tremendously less expensive than Obamacare’s were, the people can now afford to use President Trump’s new healthcare insurance plans, where they couldn’t if they had Obamacare.
Strange how Democrats always insist when people are given the freedom to make their own choices (their “Pursuit of Happiness”), the Democrats claim they were kicked off or out of something, when they freely make those choices.
I bet fully 80% or more of those “kicked off” have _voluntarily_ chosen to not be covered — healthy single young adults.
Martha should have said ” you realize you’re full of sh*t”.
If millions of people left Obamacare, it’s because they couldn’t frigging afford 25-35% of their gross income to pay for a crappy plan. This is the subsidy chart (after you get to 400% of a given poverty line based on family size, you pay the full premium, and can be penalized if you guess your FUTURE income too low) :
Family Size 138% 200% 300% 350% 400%
Poverty line
1 12140.00 0.00 16753 24280 36420 42490 48560
2 16460.00 4320.00 22715 32920 49380 57610 65840
3 20780.00 4320.00 28676 41560 62340 72730 83120
4 25100.00 4320.00 34638 50200 75300 87850 100400
5 29420.00 4320.00 40600 58840 88260 102970 117680
6 33740.00 4320.00 46561 67480 101220 118090 134960
7 38060.00 4320.00 52523 76120 114180 133210 152240
8 42380.00 4320.00 58484 84760 127140 148330 169520
A MAGI $117680, is not much money for a family of 5, once you factor in income tax, social security, medicare, state and local income taxes, property tax, rent or mortgage, water, electricity, heating/cooling, transportation, and food.
My unsubsidized premiums are nearly 1900/month – that’s expensive rent or a mortgage.
It’s ridiculous, because just like in the UK and Canada the people who clog the medical services up are the ones who haven’t or aren’t contributing to the taxes that pay for it. They’re cheating the system by working under the table for cash, or claiming two dole checks and all the free stuff they can get. Then you wait a year or two for a medical procedure that ends up being too late but if it had been done in a timely manner would have been inconsequential.
No offense to my UK friends, but dental care in the UK is a self contradictory concept.
To the AOC type thugs, they think it’s fair that productive and non productive people should share a single queue for medical care (except for AOC and her snake-friends): this of course makes no sense, because non productive people RARELY take the place of productive people who become too sick to work or die.
AOC and her ilk live in friggin candy land.
Since the turn of the 20th century the Sheeple have tolerated the “temporary” income tax, the “temporary” social security, attacks on the 2nd Amendment, losing wars on drugs and poverty. Will they fight this? Don’t hold your breath.
Im surprised that someone hasnt started picking off these dem terrorists one by one. Something needs to be done to save our country.
You are so right. IMPEACH THEM ALL.
The Democrats want to give us a costly Obama-care on steroids that they will figure out how to fund later and cost 2 million people their jobs. Ask the Veterans how Government run health-care is working for them.
And will Congress vote to have its health care the same as the populous? Will they give up their own special health plans for that which they are providing for the rest of us? I think not !!!!! Making them subject to the same healthcare as the rest of us will stop this plan in its tracks.
I vote for that idea. One healthcare policy for all. 1 FOR ALL PLAN
If the Democrats secure one-payer insurance, we are all screwed out of decent health care, except maybe the dictator and her minions, until she finds fault with them. I worked for 20+ years for a large worldwide banking concern, and as a retiree I can opt for health insurance offered by my former employer. I have excellent health insurance coverage and it makes me shake in my boots to think what abominable coverage I might have if we have universal/one payer health insurance forced on us by a bunch of socialist nincompoops called Democrats. Scary thought indeed!!!
It is not Medicare-for-all. It is VA-care-for-all. The Democrats choose their words to put there socialist and secular destructive ideas in the best possible light. All conservatives need to start calling it VA-care-for-all
Twelve years ago Americans had the best health care in the world! Any deterioration of that has come through democrat sponsored government intervention. Health care costs are high as are insurance premiums. But they can be addressed by means other than government control of the system. In fact when the government takes control of anything costs and inefficiency typically go up. We may not notice the increase costs immediately because we pay for them indirectly trough our taxes rather than directly from our checkbook. Do you want a doctor or a political appointee deciding weather your medical procedure is needed or will be cost effective? And where in the Constitution have we granted the federal government control over our health care? This would appear to be covered by the tenth amendment!
Remove it back from Government hands. Must have been Bush or Obummer.
The Canadian people have already WARNED us about Government-run Healthcare….Now the Venezuelan people WARN us about Socialism…..Will the AMERICAN people take heed THIS TIME….????? They haven’t as they pushed through 00bozocare and what a DISASTER it was from the beginning till NOW…..!!!!!! 00bozo’s healthcare plan was “supposed” to be ONE BIG Government take-OVER, didn’t wor out so well, so, WHY would anybody think/believe that ANY OTHER Government take-OVER will work or will be “good” for ANYBODY…???? AND remember SAME politicians REFUSED to sign-up for said healthcare and were RELIEVED by 00bozo from having to sign-up for his/this DISASTER….!!! AND remember Mr. Gruber saying: “If the DUMB VOTERS “vote for this” HAHAHAHAHA, well, then THEY are TRULY DUMB….!!!!!
Who do you think the government will pay to manage that program? Probably the very same corporations that they rail against.
What bothers me a great deal is that Congress really has lost touch with what we the average citizens feel about all the b.s. which they are cramming down our throats. They are openly violating the 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution with their Red Flag laws, and are willing to destroy our country by the nonsense like single payer health care which will tax the middle class out of existence. They ignore the traitorous actions of Obama, Hillary, Reid, Holder, et al. The biggest problem is the MSM. Those scum that are CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and 95% of the newspapers are the reason that we are in the trouble we are in.
James Otis who was the spark that began the movement that became the American Revolution made the case that any law was void if it violated the English Constitution. Any law that violated a citizens rights was nullified this was said in 1762,prior to the beginning of the War of Independence. It is as true today as it was 250 years ago.
Sadly we are repeating our own history and as it was in 1775 it will be again in 2019.
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Turning control of the healthcare industry over to the government is not going to make people healthier, it is going to reduce choices and eventually make people less healthy. This is a huge scam to increase control of government and bring people more under control of politicians. If you want more of your life run by politicians, just vote for single-payer health care.
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Well, if a million people march on DC while they are in session, storm the place and rip them from limb to limb; that might get the point across. Doesn’t matter what they have in the way of security they don’t have millions of bullets, and a million people could knock over any barricade or wall they put up. There’s only so much tear gas. Just make sure you put their heads on top of the fence posts as a reminder.
Demo’s are due for a civil war, change our way of living, impeaching our president, taxing us to death, we are armed and ready!
You bet, and what those moron dem-on’s do not realize is there really are three to four times more of us USA Patriotic people then they will have figured on, and that once they confront us with this crap, we “WILL” have that civil war.
I see the problem in more ways hitting home! It is coming from every angle! Coward behind the scene snake dem-on’s, the liberal, progressive, socialist ilk and of course soros and company billionaires. Not to mention a few dozen countries playing behind the scenes attempting the coup of the century!
The problem for them is, although “we” the silent ones take a long time to rile into action, (normally because we’re busy with our families) however once we are pushed, such as this attempted takeover of healthcare or take our guns, it will be impossible for them to put the level of anger back into that Jeanie bottle, to go back to normal, and it will awaken this actual sleeping AMERICAN PATRIOT GIANT’S, from which there will be no turning back. The sides will be clear. If you support the constitution as it is written, and you support second amendment, and believe in the rule of law, Mom & Apple pie, (as corny as that saying is), you will be on the right side of history, not to mention the winning side.
It will be at that point when we will see those snakes begin to slither back under the rock where they came from. Then we can have peace again!
Wishful thinking you say? NOPE! I say a forgone conclusion! PERIOD!
REMEMBER GANG, FREEDOM HAS NEVER BEEN FREE! REMEMBER THAT WHEN THEY ATTEMPT TO COME TO REMOVE “YOUR” RIGHTS! Trust me, the
adam schiff’s, pelosi, aoc, durbin, clintons, and a ton others will either crawl in defeat, or they will attempt to try and do a Benedict Arnold, but this time we will not by it, when they see the reality that American Citizen’s are “NOT” going to capitulate but instead fight back with everything we have, then they will be the ones that turn and run as these cowards are known for. PERIOD!
I sincerely hope President Trump can still pull out a miracle and stop these ass*wipes, but if not, we have his back, and “WE WILL BE THERE TO FIGHT”
again, “P E R I O D” (mic drop!!)
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10 more years and GMO foods will kill us all by malnutrition-you will not have to worry about medical care
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I grew up in a time when my parents had the barest minimum of health insurance.
Doctor visits were $5.00. Yes I am almost 70 years old. So I have seen a lot in my lifetime.
I grew up in Houston, Texas when there were not freeways, just black topped roads.
Now it takes 30 minutes sometimes just to go five miles. If I could afford to move, I would.
I am fed up with all the “younger generation” in Congress (house and senate) telling me what I need to do with my money and trying to make us all look like the Stepford Children. If you wish to know more about the Stepford Wives and Stepford Children, look it up on Widipedia.
I am me and you are you. So leave me and my insurance alone!!!
Leave me the hell alone.
I’m with you!
I’m with you, I’m too old for this nonsense, just leave me alone, I’ve managed for 83 years to survive, I plan to live at least 10 more years and I don’t need or want your help. JUST LEAVE ME THE H*** alone.
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Remember the democrat that said “You have to vote for it before you find out what is in it”. We won’t have the opportunity to see what the “plan” is until after the democrats force it through. Just leave my present insurance alone. I do not have to wait, my co-pays are low, and I get quality medical services. With Obama care and this new proposal, I do not think we will get quality or reasonable prices. I also do not want to subsidize those that are not willing to work and contribute as we taxpayers do.
Amen. If you work, you eat. If not then go hungry.
Typical idiot socialist Democrat proposal! Have the idiots done any comprehensive analysis? NO. Have they polled doctors to find out how many would continue their practice and how many would quit? NO. Have they estimated the number of additional trained medical personnel would be needed over what we now have? NO. Have they estimated the additional hospital and medical facilities need to provide the free health care and how it would be paid for? NO. Have they estimated the cost of Med for all and where the money will come from? NO. Have they estimated the increase in time waiting for an appointment and how many would die waiting? NO.
Until such analysis is done they should put their fantasy back in the box. The voters and Congress deserve to know the results of such an analysis before they vote on it.
Kaiser family foundation and many other sites has a lot of detailed info on all the proposals made. Many of the concerns you answered no too is answered and several plans you can still keep your private insurance. I used to be an ER nurse and everyone having insurance stops theseveral hour wait times since uninsured uses the er for colds, bugs, things a Dr or PA could/should do for a fraction of the cost. Those who use the er is because no $$
Or insurance and never pay the bill so high prices to cover the losses. Dr offices you must pay up front if no insurance so their only option is too use the er when it’s not an emergency. This is only one issue we have many more. Most of the factories here have useless insurance that cost a ton. $5000 deductible you may as well not have it. I no many hardworking people with the same crappy expensive coverage. There’s many options on the plans for everyone. Several ideas to pay it. Dr friends said they don’t get why people think if it was the entire US why people think they’d quit being a Dr when it’s their chosen profession
I’m 88 but take no medication at all. I don’t smoke or drink; so why should I be responsible for those who have mistreated their body’s. I realize that by having insurance, I am also helping to cut the cost of others in my plan as long as I stay healthy; but that is also my choice, I’m not forced to pay for the country and the world. The only reason this is popular with politicians is that it is financially profitable for them. I say this from the point of ‘Obama Care’ which was OK for us peons, but not the politicians themselves. They refused to accept it as their plan because they knew the thing was flawed because they helped write it. So, who is going to benefit from a forced social plan? It will not be us. Chuck Adkins
The Demokratz have learned NOTHING from the People’s Socialist Demokratik Republik of Kalifornikate. There are more taxpayers leaving the state than ever. Algae-encrusted Occluded Cortex thinks that she can just raise taxes and “just pay for it!”
The Demokratz MUST learn from Venezuela. If they don’t they are condemned to repeat Venezuela.
They have forgotten the first rule for revolutionaries: “When the Revolution is over, kill the revolutionaries!”
Peloton reminds me of the drunk grandma left to babysit a bunch of juvenile delinquents
Now it seems like someone wants to twist everything, with single payer insurance you can still buy private insurance to your liking, being the competition for the business the price of health insurance normally comes down at least that is what happened in most countries, that has single payer insurance.
Sadly, we have another completely dishonest article title. What it should have said is that Dem’s plan to outlaw PRIVATE INSURANCE funded healthcare.
I believe a good Constitutional lawyer could argue under the 10th amendment all federal attempts at passing health care legislation is unconstitutional, this is not a power specifically given to the federal government nor forbidden the states so it therefore belongs to the states, again in my opinion.
Clark, but then you’d have to convince the SCOTUS, Congress, and a possible socialist Democrat administration that the Constitution means what it says. sadly, history has proven otherwise on MANY topics.
Let me guess: Congress will EXEMPT themselves/set up a special high-dollar government program for themselves and their families.
They exempted themselves from obamacare by declaring themselves to be a small business.
Partly right. I am a small business and not required to provide health insurance to my 3 employees as it would be a burden. Each Representative and Senator were able to declare their office as a “small business” so they wouldn’t have to provide health insurance to their staffers
I’ve many Canadian relatives and I know of some of them that have had to cross the border into the U.S. to receive surgery to save their lives due to prolonged waiting periods in Canada.
Ah, socialism at work. If they want it perhaps they should move to that Marxist/Socialist Heaven they can Venezuela. Ya think?
If one can afford their insurance they should pay their own way. Someone who needs legitimate assistance should get it as long as they need it only.
Those whom are able bodied and work but won’t…though! We owe them nothing!
I don’t need the very mismanaged Socialist Marxist government holding the reins over my physicians and myself when it comes to my healthcare or anything else in my life!
As we used to say in the last century:
Bend over, put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.
Remember Pogo Possum? We have met the enemy and he is us.
TIME TO START THE MILITIA AGAINST THESE DUMBOCRATS AS CALLED FOR IN THE 2ND AMENDENT.
well the last estiment i have heard , the cost for this for all item would be around 31 trullion in 10 or less years, the problem the dems have is they do not say how it is going to be paid for. you know taxes will go out of this world, also europe and canada dont have the population we do, and the last time my sister who lived in canada , the time it takes to get ,say an operation ,lets say prostate cancer, some almost a year , no one researches these items, and the uk and switerland finland and others dont have the population america has , 31 trillion dollars do any of these dems have that in their bank accounts?
Also, some of those Countries you mentioned have their “death panels” in operation. If a man has prostate cancer and he is over 70 years old, they won’t give him any options other than hospice.
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You do seem to have some misunderstanding about what is called united health care in Canada and European counties, anyone in those countries can buy medical coverage if they are not satisfied with what the state offers. The system works the same way it works here it is the triage system, the sickest or most urgent get the care first same as here except is the name of wealth who are always first.
No you say we have far more people than the other countries where they have Universal Health Care, well the number of persons has nothing to do with it it is the population density which the USA has among the lowest population density in the entire World.
You make it out to imply that only the Democrats are rich and can afford the taxes for this when just the opposite is true the majority of the wealthy lean Republican who want to keep all their money to them selves, I am a Republican and have been since 1959, and I know we need Universal Health Care to take care of those who can not afford the health care premiums which are the highest in the World and we get the least for our money and rated #37 in the World with all those countries you complain about being higher on the list of health care for the people.
Sorry, but You’re full of it…or ….living in some fantacy world! — and I don’t believe you’re a true Republican for a minute! You sound just like a Socialist..or very ignorant.
We NEED Universal health care like a hole in the head.!! When there’s “Single payer” , private insurers get pushed out of business, and eventually there’s NO other choice!
One example—Norway…. My cousin in Norway in her late 50’s had to deal with waiting for a badly needed hip surgery almost a full year…almost crippling her permanently to try to function in her condition…AND if she would have missed the set surgery time for ANY reason, she would have had to go to the back of the list and wait AGAIN! No consideration for the condition or needs of the patient…only the unfeeling clickity click socailistic medical machine….And that’s what we would have…NO Choice, less quality care, if able to get any at all,,,especially if over 70..
Leave my healthcare alone.
Yes,please
Yes, please!